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Post by bnavarro on Feb 16, 2019 21:50:50 GMT
[quote author=The Jr DLC is coming after this month's DLC. When? We don't know yet. This won't stop folks from assuming March 27th, though, then getting disappointed when it doesn't come out that day.
They're saying they're focusing on that next, which makes it sound like it'll be a while before that comes out.”
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Post by bnavarro on Feb 16, 2019 21:52:17 GMT
[quote author=The Jr DLC is coming after this month's DLC. When? We don't know yet. This won't stop folks from assuming March 27th, though, then getting disappointed when it doesn't come out that day. They're saying they're focusing on that next, which makes it sound like it'll be a while before that comes out.” It was supposed to come out last year, they should have been working on it. |
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Post by Dawnbr3ak3r on Feb 16, 2019 22:16:28 GMT
Plans change.
Boo-fucking-hoo if you don't like it.
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Post by OrochiGeese on Feb 16, 2019 23:16:34 GMT
Honestly, the LAST thing any of us should be doing right now is pressuring Spike to release something before they are ready. Every thing they have done in the last few months to modify the game has clearly been either intentionally rushed or recklessly released without a full testing or concern for the consequences.
This is NOT a company we want to be rushing right now. We have broken irish whip logic in 2019 in the latest game from a series known for getting fundamentals right - something that negatively affects every match in Fire Pro except for shoot matches. And we have that because they didn't test the repercussions of recent changes that we never even asked for. If they are operating under such internal pressure for things we aren't asking them about, imagine what half-baked DLC we end up with as a result of fan/consumer pressure?
The gaming industry has always had a healthy debate between "don't release a game/patch/DLC until it's fully ready" vs. "a game can always be worked on but the fans want it now" perspectives and that's fine. I get that. Most people choose where to draw the line somewhere between those extremes. But when a company already has a proven recent track record for months of messing up the game by botching updates due to being rushed/undermanned/underfunded, the last thing we need to do now is give them external pressure.
The pressure we should be giving Spike is to fix what they already broke, not to accidentally break new things with DLC that probably isn't anywhere near ready. Let's pressure them to take the time and care to fix current things that shouldn't have been broken in the first place, not break more just because we want the DLC quicker.
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Post by Severla on Feb 16, 2019 23:19:56 GMT
But is there gameplay?
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Post by OrochiGeese on Feb 16, 2019 23:23:00 GMT
Gameplay? Give them 2 more patches to accidentally break 1P mode by rushing Management of the Ring.
The best thing fans could do right now is lobby Spike to add our community modders to their team and remove all external time pressure from them. I doubt they'll do the former but we can hep them with the latter.
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Post by jetlag on Feb 16, 2019 23:49:21 GMT
Gameplay? Give them 2 more patches to accidentally break 1P mode by rushing Management of the Ring.
We'd never notice.
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Post by Dawnbr3ak3r on Feb 16, 2019 23:52:15 GMT
Gameplay? Give them 2 more patches to accidentally break 1P mode by rushing Management of the Ring. Theyd'd never notice.
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Post by OrochiGeese on Feb 17, 2019 0:01:58 GMT
Gameplay? Give them 2 more patches to accidentally break 1P mode by rushing Management of the Ring. We'd never notice.
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Post by Ripley on Feb 17, 2019 1:39:43 GMT
Honestly, the LAST thing any of us should be doing right now is pressuring Spike to release something before they are ready. Every thing they have done in the last few months to modify the game has clearly been either intentionally rushed or recklessly released without a full testing or concern for the consequences. This is NOT a company we want to be rushing right now. We have broken irish whip logic in 2019 in the latest game from a series known for getting fundamentals right - something that negatively affects every match in Fire Pro except for shoot matches. And we have that because they didn't test the repercussions of recent changes that we never even asked for. If they are operating under such internal pressure for things we aren't asking them about, imagine what half-baked DLC we end up with as a result of fan/consumer pressure? The gaming industry has always had a healthy debate between "don't release a game/patch/DLC until it's fully ready" vs. "a game can always be worked on but the fans want it now" perspectives and that's fine. I get that. Most people choose where to draw the line somewhere between those extremes. But when a company already has a proven recent track record for months of messing up the game by botching updates due to being rushed/undermanned/underfunded, the last thing we need to do now is give them external pressure. The pressure we should be giving Spike is to fix what they already broke, not to accidentally break new things with DLC that probably isn't anywhere near ready. Let's pressure them to take the time and care to fix current things that shouldn't have been broken in the first place, not break more just because we want the DLC quicker. Uh wasn't the Yes/No completely fucking borked in Returns and literally never fixed because patches didn't exist? And not figured out for years. Wasn't there a bunch of other shit just borked in Returns, too? Don't we still have that annoying-ass shit where wrestlers just BONK right into a turnbuckle? Didn't the game release with Irish Whips into the corners being fucked and them basically having to fudge some shit to have wrestlers kinda magnetize into the corner? I'm trying to not bother wading into this kiddie pool full of landminds because eh there's not much to be talked about with one tweet and being labeled a Negative Nancy or some shit. But like nah dawg they haven't really ever been able to get the fundamentals right. I mean THEY ESPECIALLY CAN'T GET THE FUNDAMENTALS RIGHT THIS GO AROUND but it's not like Returns was this polished-ass perfect 10/10 game either. >_> Also the only thing I will say is I haven't really seen anyone demanding for a rush-job on patches/DLC. If anything it's been the opposite and most people are saying they're happy to wait for the DLC if it ensures that it isn't busted. Yes people would like shit sooner, but as you said, given their track record people generally have been saying "Take as long as you need to as long as it's not busted." Only way I can see someone misconstruing anyone talking about the DLC as wanting to be rushed out is them clowning on the original release dates of this shit that was supposed to be last year for Fire Promoter and the Juniors then got pushed to "January 2019" for Fire Promoter and "February/March" for the Juniors DLC. Now it's "Early 2019" for both. I can't nail down the article that mentioned this delay/change but it's around, somewhere. It came out in like November. Anyway, point is, I don't think anyone's DEMANDING they release the DLC in a rush and even if they did evidently Spike is gonna take it's time anyway considering the delays we've already faced and will more than likely continue to face. The development of the DLC (and the messaging of it) is in a shambles and has been for ages. People (rightfully) complain. People (righfully) complain about people complaining—though I think if anything the complaining about people complaining is often more egregious than the complaining itself but whatever. So it goes. |
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Post by Ripley on Feb 17, 2019 1:41:59 GMT
Gameplay? Give them 2 more patches to accidentally break 1P mode by rushing Management of the Ring. The best thing fans could do right now is lobby Spike to add our community modders to their team and remove all external time pressure from them. I doubt they'll do the former but we can hep them with the latter. Geese, I love you, but lolwut. With what budget, my dude? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 3:14:53 GMT
Community modders oh good idea I mean I am still a Farley new name around the world of FPWW but if any of my caws got added to the game I would 100% be super stoked.
I came here because I really want this DLC I hope it's about the same price as NJPW which was 30AUD but I brought it on sale for around 20AUD at Yule hehe.
I just hope they don't break the pc game like they did when NJPW first came out god dammit DRM everyone bit** about that.
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Post by OrochiGeese on Feb 17, 2019 3:43:18 GMT
Gameplay? Give them 2 more patches to accidentally break 1P mode by rushing Management of the Ring. The best thing fans could do right now is lobby Spike to add our community modders to their team and remove all external time pressure from them. I doubt they'll do the former but we can hep them with the latter. Geese, I love you, but lolwut. With what budget, my dude? Yeah, it was an idealistic comment. I know they wouldn't do it for legal reasons more than financial reasons. They are on a shoestring budget but they have other restrictions with who joins their team. It was a pie in the sky hope rather than a real suggestion which is why I said I'd doubt they'd do it. My real point in that post is that the best thing we can do for Spike is to take the pressure off of them for DLC. Uh wasn't the Yes/No completely fucking borked in Returns and literally never fixed because patches didn't exist? And not figured out for years. Wasn't there a bunch of other shit just borked in Returns, too? Don't we still have that annoying-ass shit where wrestlers just BONK right into a turnbuckle? Didn't the game release with Irish Whips into the corners being fucked and them basically having to fudge some shit to have wrestlers kinda magnetize into the corner? I'm trying to not bother wading into this kiddie pool full of landminds because eh there's not much to be talked about with one tweet and being labeled a Negative Nancy or some shit. But like nah dawg they haven't really ever been able to get the fundamentals right. I mean THEY ESPECIALLY CAN'T GET THE FUNDAMENTALS RIGHT THIS GO AROUND but it's not like Returns was this polished-ass perfect 10/10 game either. >_> Returns was a mess for many reasons but Spike never made DLC that made things even worse over a period of a few months. In fact, a lot of what was wrong with FPR (the turnbuckle BONK) had been around for a decade. Spike's biggest sin with much of FPR was not fixing what had been broken in previous games. What Spike is doing now is breaking what had been fine for years. There's a huge difference, especially when Spike continues to do this. The absolute last thing we should be doing is pressuring THIS Spike (this third development team whose success rate is very low in making new patches that don't break existing things) to rush DLC. I'm not saying they shouldn't keep working on the DLC. And I'm not saying we shouldn't keep a dialogue with them. I'm saying that the emphasis of our dialogue with them right now should be 1) Focusing on them fixing what was broken and 2) Letting them know what we care more about patches and DLC being fully tested (so that new features work and don't break existing things) than being rushed. I think that's a pretty sound suggestion. Also the only thing I will say is I haven't really seen anyone demanding for a rush-job on patches/DLC. If anything it's been the opposite and most people are saying they're happy to wait for the DLC if it ensures that it isn't busted. I saw a few Twitter comments that seemed to me to put pressure on them to release the DLC soon or within a certain amount of time. I think that if time is the main factor, then there is unstated pressure to meet a deadline rather than to test everything out. There has been a lot of people who are patient and I am glad to see that. Anyway, point is, I don't think anyone's DEMANDING they release the DLC in a rush and even if they did evidently Spike is gonna take it's time anyway considering the delays we've already faced and will more than likely continue to face. The development of the DLC (and the messaging of it) is in a shambles and has been for ages. People (rightfully) complain. People (righfully) complain about people complaining—though I think if anything the complaining about people complaining is often more egregious than the complaining itself but whatever. So it goes. In the other thread last week I made it very clear that I support people's criticism of the game. I agree that it's rightful complaining. In my view, Spike absolutely DECIMATED tag match psychology by changing touchwork and I can't watch a tag match that isn't screwed up as a result of it. So I totally get it. The thing is - I do feel as if there has been people putting pressure on Spike for release dates. Whether the frustration here is manifesting toward comments to Spike is something I'm not 100% certain of. I do see frustration in this thread and what I wanted to avoid was more tweets to Spike trying to pressure them to get the DLC out on time. They are incapable of acting fast and competently right now. We need them to clean up their mess before they do anything else but even that I don't want them to do too quickly cause then they may make another mess in the process. I plan on purchasing all the DLC so obviously I care about it but I care more about a working engine. I just want them to prioritize fixing that but doing it properly. I think Spike needs from us, more than anything, is clear communication that we want them to test DLC and patches out thoroughly before they release them. Talking about due dates at all is counter-productive. Just the reminder of a time frame could cause them to rush something out again without testing it. |
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Post by bnavarro on Feb 17, 2019 4:53:52 GMT
The reason some people might be impatient is because they paid for this through season pass 9 months ago and still haven’t received the product.
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Post by Recall on Feb 17, 2019 5:10:25 GMT
I paid £70 for the deluxe edition on PS4 because I’m dumb, and blinded by the shiny new Fire Pro product.
There will be one DLC update (of decent size and content) and then they will stop. I’ll put money on it, oh wait I have already.
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