The edit specific questions and discussion

[sonny615]

I've been wanting to make this thread for a while now. 
I constantly want to get advise on very specific issues like stats for someone or a move replacement ...and I don't want to clutter the general discussion thread. 


Anyway, I finally started making edit versions of the NJPW DLC guys. I've only done three edits and I must say - the bases are pretty good!

Changes I made (not including appearances):

Tanahashi:
Torture Texas Clover Hold + I kind of want to get rid of his Flash Pin, as he doesn't use it anymore.
I also not a big fan of the Styles Clash on him. Yes, he did it a few times in recent years but I feel like he wins too many matches with it. Maybe I'll just lower the logic. 
Edit: One thing I noticed is discretion being super low, like 35. Now, I love using low discretion on edits - 40 is ideal in my view. However, for top main eventers I do set it higher, around 55-65. Not sure what to do here. 

Goto:
I think I changed his Bulldog Rana to Blade Kick. Other than that edit is pretty solid. The Goto I had before the DLC had almost the same amount of points :)

Zack Sabre Jr.:
Edit is very good but I made quite a few changes here. 
I felt he was too weak (138 points, if I recall), considering he consistently beat all the top guys in the past year or so.
I gave him the Focus ability to bump him up a bit. Yes, he does feel like a little monster when he gets his endless submissions going but I feel like it's a good representation of him in real life. 
One particularly good match was against Tanahashi, where he killed Tana's arm (animation changed, it looked really cool... Tana has arm health set to low, I think). Tana, being the Ace that he is, managed to escape the submissions and get the three. There were fantastic reversal sequences I've never seen before. Good stuff!
An additional change I made was setting his Mchinoku Driver as a Finisher (that way all his submissions can critical) and while I know he did it earlier in his career, I decided to replace the Liger Bomb with an excursion high kick. 
Still not sure about that (suggestions?).

 What do you think guys? What changes have you made to the DLC roster? Feel free to discuss any wrestler, doesn't have to be DLC.

[sonny615]

What would be a good replacement for Buddy Murphy's new finisher (pumphandle into an olympic slam)? Perhaps Sternness Dust or even Time Bomb?


www.youtube.com/watch?v=rABEOU1gIYY

[sonny615]

Tomohiro Ishii:
Here's another wrestler who had stats very similar to what my Ishii edit had before the DLC.

Moves changes:
Back Counter (SML) -> Rolling Cross Legbreaker
Counter (BIG) -> Powerslam B
Opp Down, Face Up, Near Head (Big) - Sliding Elbow Butt (closest thing to Sliding Lariat)
Front Grapple (BIG) + Down - Final Powerbomb [my original Ishii edit also had a rapid powerbomb but I think I will keep the delayed brainbuster for balance]
Pin, Near Head - Pin (I hate the both arms pin, not sure why most edits have it by default)

There are some really nice logic touches like aligning the elbow pad before the lariat, i only adjusted some minor stuff like higher tag rate. 

[xstraightedgedavex]

Hi, in regards to Zsj I replaced his arm ringer with a neck crank & his knee kick with his spinning leg sweep.
I didn't put the 'Zack' driver as a finisher as I've found he gets submission criticals without doing that :)

[sonny615]

Oh right, I had the leg sweep on my older ZSJ and forgot to carry it over.

Also, as far as Omega and Okada go - I had to lower stats for both. I understand the logic of making them modern day monsters but in my perception this is still way too high.
Each one had his own tweaks but they both ended on 237-238 points which still (probably) makes them the strongest modern wrestlers on my roster, just by a smaller margin.

Iibushi  I didn't notice anything significant missing and I think the stats are good. I did replace the [] + X Powerslam with a Lariat, as it seems more appropriate. 
I think he is missing the Straight Jacket suplex but I'm not sure what to replace. Plus, he doesn't really wins matches with it but rather transitions into the Kamigoye and I'm not sure you can do it in the game since the opponent stands up after the pin. 

Shingo Takagi - It's still a little early, but what do you think should be the stats for him? I don't think they even announced whether he'll be a junior or a heavyweight. I know he was a big deal in Dragon Gate but in NJPW it'll probably take a while to get up the ranks. I have him at around 145 points with Overturn ability. This will change once we see more out of him.  

[Severla]

Oct 10, 2018 7:25:12 GMT sonny615 said:

Iibushi

Shingo Takagi

They literally made his straight-jacket into Kamigoye as a back grapple move. It's in the game :P

Shingo is penned in to be Bushi's partner in the Junior Tag League. Dunno if he'll instantly jump to heavyweight right after, though.

[sonny615]

Oct 10, 2018 15:22:34 GMT Severla said:

Oct 10, 2018 7:25:12 GMT sonny615 said:

Iibushi

Shingo Takagi

They literally made his straight-jacket into Kamigoye as a back grapple move. It's in the game :P

Shingo is penned in to be Bushi's partner in the Junior Tag League. Dunno if he'll instantly jump to heavyweight right after, though.

Wow, how did I miss that? The move is on him by default? 
I'll definitely look into it once I'm home. 
On one hand I feel like an idiot but on the other hand I'm kinda happy I "discovered" another new move :)

Thanks for the Shingo info!

[sonny615]

How would you rank Konosuke Takeshita from DDT?
He's like their ace and I see people on Steam giving him as high as ~180 points with Hardbody but I feel like it is too high.
I admit I did not watch a ton of him but I've been building my DDT roster and getting into the promotion a little more.
In a recent match with CIMA, who is far from the 180 point range (subjectively...), Takeshita lost pretty clearly. I think the other top guys in DDT (HARASHIMA, etc) are in the 140-150 range.
Most other DDT guys are pretty low, 80-110 points (I really like toyzoo edits, btw; he made most DDT roster).

WDYT? Would you give him a special ability? Any extraordinary stats?

[ripper]

Oct 7, 2018 18:27:20 GMT sonny615 said:

What would be a good replacement for Buddy Murphy's new finisher (pumphandle into an olympic slam)? Perhaps Sternness Dust or even Time Bomb?


www.youtube.com/watch?v=rABEOU1gIYY

Id go with Sternness... Unless you mod, then go with Whale Hunt.

[ripper]

Oct 11, 2018 7:21:41 GMT sonny615 said:

Oct 10, 2018 15:22:34 GMT Severla said:

They literally made his straight-jacket into Kamigoye as a back grapple move. It's in the game :P

Shingo is penned in to be Bushi's partner in the Junior Tag League. Dunno if he'll instantly jump to heavyweight right after, though.

Wow, how did I miss that? The move is on him by default? 
I'll definitely look into it once I'm home. 
On one hand I feel like an idiot but on the other hand I'm kinda happy I "discovered" another new move :)

Thanks for the Shingo info!

It's not in him by default. It was a patch move do you have to add it in.