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Post by wrasslinisreal on Dec 9, 2019 12:17:45 GMT
Good lord that probably explains everything; I always look for parts with the filter on. Thanks Dawnbr3ak3r |
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Post by faulknasty on Dec 9, 2019 21:48:48 GMT
Anybody know an edit that has a good suit(like business suit) I'm having trouble making one that isn't a bit too off and wanted to see how someone did it well
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Post by markrocker on Dec 10, 2019 13:30:56 GMT
There is a move data file for FPR, that includes all the moves Critical! types. Is there a new one for FPW that includes the new moves?
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Post by wrasslinisreal on Dec 10, 2019 16:14:34 GMT
Anybody know an edit that has a good suit(like business suit) I'm having trouble making one that isn't a bit too off and wanted to see how someone did it well I have an edit that wears a suit/suit variations: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1903027996&searchtext=pvll All 3 of his 4 attires use a suit combo of sorts. Of course, it's up to you to decide if it's done well! |
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Post by Fuee on Dec 11, 2019 2:15:31 GMT
Anybody know an edit that has a good suit(like business suit) I'm having trouble making one that isn't a bit too off and wanted to see how someone did it well I also have one, that's done differently from wrasslinisreal's (made to be more tuxedo-y): steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1822234761which I partially based on TheAvenger3's Harvey Wippleman edit: www.criticalclub.com/thread/112/pc-theavenger3s-edits?q=wipplemanThere is a move data file for FPR, that includes all the moves Critical! types. Is there a new one for FPW that includes the new moves? I was wondering this a while back, myself, but I never found one :\ |
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Post by wrasslinisreal on Dec 11, 2019 9:19:06 GMT
Fuee Duxedo Mask?! :) That edit made me laugh, nice one. Great suit combo by the way; I've never thought about using that baseball part like that for 'smart' attire.
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Post by OrochiGeese on Dec 13, 2019 21:38:25 GMT
I love the idea of the "Endless German Suplex" but I find that it's far more finite in execution.
I gave it to one of my edits, JET Hamada. He has it at a very high percentage. Over the past few weeks of simming, not only does JET almost always win a back grapple (often the front grapple "switch to back" move), but he almost always chooses the endless german suplex as I want him to. The problem is that he almost never wins the next back grapple after hitting the first endless german suplex.
I was willing to chalk it up to RNG the first few weeks but now it almost seems as if an edit hitting the Endless German Suplex is given some kind of internal disadvantage (maybe an RNG modifier) that makes it less likely for them to follow it up with another endless suplex or any other back grapple. Or is it just regular RNG following the law of averages here? He almost always wins the first back grapple but almost always loses the second one.
Does anyone else have the same issue? Does the "endless" in endless german suplex actually refer to the torment of sinners simmers in daring to hope for more? Or just the endless "edits" to this post? 😁
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Dec 13, 2019 23:07:04 GMT
I find it varies match to match, but I have seen up to 5 in a row. My completely unofficial estimate is it probably averages about two. One thing I did on Rampage (my main edit that uses the endless) is put the triple suplex with the endless in Lrg damage so you can get a sequence where he goes endless-endless-triple for a cheaters endless effect.
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Post by OrochiGeese on Dec 13, 2019 23:20:00 GMT
Thanks, very glad to hear you are that the Endless German isn't borked here. The fact you are seeing Rampage able to follow the first one up with a second (or another move) is a good sign! 👍
I complimented the Endless German in the back grapple category with a double belly to back suplex (like his mentor had) and also with the Peach Sunrise as the back grapple special. So he almost always does the Endless as the first attempt. Ideally, the way the logic is set-up, Id like him to always lead with that and then either do the double german as the main follow-up and the Peach Sunrise as the secondary more rare follow-up to end the match. The theme of this particular variant JET edit is "Belly to Back Borough" (a silly takeoff on "Suplex City") so I'm fine with him hitting the endless and doubles to no pin to just destroy the opponent before finally deciding to hit the Peach Sunrise to finish (if one of his finishes in other situations don't occur first).
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Post by Dawnbr3ak3r on Dec 14, 2019 2:30:02 GMT
Rarely do I see more than three in a row at any given time. I usually have it as a setup or a bait-and-switch for another large suplex. I've seen Jessica Shields pull out three of them back to back and finish a chain with Croyt's Wrath. I've also seen her pull out two or three back to back into the big throw-y (overhead) German Suplex.
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Post by OrochiGeese on Dec 14, 2019 2:46:15 GMT
Glad you have seen a few in a row. Sounds like there's definitely not some kind of limitation on them then.
Ideally, I'd love to see JET start with one and then be able to hit one of his other suplexes right afterward.
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Post by IamAres on Dec 14, 2019 4:07:07 GMT
It's law of averages, I think. Don't forget that you also, generally, have to win a grapple somewhere just to get into a back grapple to begin with, then win again to start the endless German, then win again and so on for each subsequent suplex. So the odds of you winning that many grapples in a row are just gonna be lower.
I do wish they'd done one from the front, too. It would make the likelihood of starting it far higher, and it would be a little easier to have it lead into specific things (like how Okada chains one into his finish, for example).
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Post by Dawnbr3ak3r on Dec 14, 2019 6:04:35 GMT
Glad you have seen a few in a row. Sounds like there's definitely not some kind of limitation on them then. Ideally, I'd love to see JET start with one and then be able to hit one of his other suplexes right afterward. If you have the room for it try setting the Endless German to *at least* 20% and then the other suplex to 30%. Or set them both to 25% or better. |
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Post by OrochiGeese on Dec 14, 2019 7:55:39 GMT
It's law of averages, I think. Don't forget that you also, generally, have to win a grapple somewhere just to get into a back grapple to begin with, then win again to start the endless German, then win again and so on for each subsequent suplex. So the odds of you winning that many grapples in a row are just gonna be lower. Very good point 💡 You are completely right. I overlooked the fact that about half of the time JET gets does an Endless German, he has already won two grapples. He won the "switch to back" and then the first endless german. For him to win another would actually be a little too aggressive. And the odds are definitely not in favor of it happening. I do wish they'd done one from the front, too. It would make the likelihood of starting it far higher, and it would be a little easier to have it lead into specific things (like how Okada chains one into his finish, for example). Yeah, I would love to have the Endless German available from front grapple. I also wish we could get a regular release german suplex in front grapple that isn't the throwing one. Glad you have seen a few in a row. Sounds like there's definitely not some kind of limitation on them then. Ideally, I'd love to see JET start with one and then be able to hit one of his other suplexes right afterward. If you have the room for it try setting the Endless German to *at least* 20% and then the other suplex to 30%. Or set them both to 25% or better. Right now I have it like this:  The idea was for him to lead with the Endless German and then follow into one of the other two. But I see what you are saying. I may be better off reducing the Endless German to about the same as the double belly to back with the Tequila Sunrise continuing to be a bit more rare since its his Special. Maybe like: 40 (Endless), 35 (B2B), 25 (Sunrise). Maybe I will just switch out the B2B for another move entirely. Essentially, the B2B = two endless germans. I may want something a little more unique but that is still in the style of a german suplex. |
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Post by Dawnbr3ak3r on Dec 14, 2019 13:44:26 GMT
Right now I have it like this: The idea was for him to lead with the Endless German and then follow into one of the other two. But I see what you are saying. I may be better off reducing the Endless German to about the same as the double belly to back with the Tequila Sunrise continuing to be a bit more rare since its his Special. Maybe like: 40 (Endless), 35 (B2B), 25 (Sunrise). Maybe I will just switch out the B2B for another move entirely. Essentially, the B2B = two endless germans. I may want something a little more unique but that is still in the style of a german suplex. That'll probably work. I only mentioned what I do because I wasn't sure what you were doing with the edit. I think it might be fine the way you have it, unless you think he's doing the Endless German too often. |
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