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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 20:28:59 GMT
Of course not, because they didn't let you have it for free to begin with.
I don't understand the mentality that my code is somehow less valuable or time consuming than Spikes, because I guarantee that everyone understands why Spike wouldn't open source the game to make a deadline...but here I'm expected to do just that because I didn't ask for an entry fee.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 20:29:31 GMT
It's not the delay, it's time, it's energy, is dishonesty, it's me already getting in touch with them about an upcoming busy schedule and them never mentioning any set back (this was less than a week ago mind you), it's a whole heap of things that made this the way it is. I will continue to do what I do, but I am no longer able to do it withing their framework, so if I have to do things that upset them to get the job done now, it's on them. To be fair (and I realize I'm saying that alot lately) isn't Dave K busy with other projects at Spike and not directly embedded with the team working on Fire Pro. It seems like he only has as much information as is given to him and the current situation was an unforeseen bug with the PS4 edition. Getting it fixed is critical for a small team that can't seem to juggle two things at once. It's a shitty situation but it's one that will pass. We just have to be patient. In Q1 2019, active development will probably be over unless Director can convince them to open the purse strings on a Switch port. |
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Post by desperadoovermayor on Aug 22, 2018 20:30:01 GMT
Yet you're not suggesting Spike open source their game, are you? I wasn't suggesting that Carl open-source his code at all, I was suggesting that if there was ONE particular person he trusted with the code, he could let them make updates to it when he couldn't. Though if I were to be completely honest, yes, Spike open-sourcing the game would make things much, much easier for everyone at this point, given the circumstances. |
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Post by romanticmisery on Aug 22, 2018 20:31:14 GMT
I need Carl, right as this very moment, should he have the time, to articulate the main dilemma for me, please. I'm not being facetious, not being snide, nor confrontational, I'm quite simply not very bright.
Let me see if i can help you:
Carl is rather busy right now going through a stage of his life where he needs to attend to more obligations than usual so he doesn't have much time to dedicate - If the patch came into its original scheduled day - 28th September - He'd still be able to look into it and update the modsuite to match the patched version.
He even got in contact with them days before asking if he could get a early access into the release so he could ready a updated version for when the patch hit the shores, but they decided against it.
Now we don't know when in september the content is coming, he'll be too busy to properly look at it, and if the patch happens to contain drastic changes it will be a long, long time until he gathers the patience to update the modsuite to work in the new versions.
So here's the choice we're having to make - We either get the vanilla update and dlc or we stay with the modsuite, play the game in offline mode and refrain from updating - this will also bar the user from acessing the workshop in any capacity, so edits will be exchanged by third party methods.
So thats the main thing here : Vanilla game with new shiny UI and NJPW content or a Superb modded but older version with some limitations in regards to edit sharing and online capabilities? Thats the choice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 20:31:41 GMT
I'm not blaming them, I'm saying that the situation, while unfortunate, and entirely their fault, has forced my hand. I have two options as a mod user...I don't share edits at all with anyone...or I do what needs to be done so that the faction of the community who still want to play with mods and are willing to forego the update can still enjoy sharing edits with one another for the foreseeable future. It's a pretty easy choice if you ask me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 20:34:38 GMT
Yet you're not suggesting Spike open source their game, are you? I wasn't suggesting that Carl open-source his code at all, I was suggesting that if there was ONE particular person he trusted with the code, he could let them make updates to it when he couldn't. Though if I were to be completely honest, yes, Spike open-sourcing the game would make things much, much easier for everyone at this point, given the circumstances.
I hate to throw them under the bus like this, and I hope they don't take this the wrong way, but I'm still writing a fair bit of the code in the mods that I don't release...
Some of this is entirely my own fault because I want to be overly helpful, so I take up projects simultaneously and share my results with them...then they tweak it for their own use...but no, there's no one I trust with the mod suite code at this point (sorry, guys, you know I have nothing but respect...but it's true...).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 20:41:32 GMT
I need Carl, right as this very moment, should he have the time, to articulate the main dilemma for me, please. I'm not being facetious, not being snide, nor confrontational, I'm quite simply not very bright. Here's a timeline:
I had time to update the mod suite for the last two weeks, I inquired with Spike about maybe getting some sort of early copy so I could work on doing that. They declined because they'd like to keep the dev build in house, no problem, I totally get it.
At that point I made the post on the board about maybe not having time to update the mod suite after the update so users should be prepared for it. I said it could take me a few weeks because I was starting school.
Then Spike announces the delay, suddenly the work wouldn't begin a week into classes, but a month into classes, when early papers are due, and work on research needs to be my focus...I make another announcement saying I doubt I'll have time to do anything with the mod suite at all unless the changes under the hood in this update are minor. They still may be, I don't know...but just in case they are not I warned everyone that the mod suite was going on indefinite hiatus if changes were significant.
That lead to people deciding if they wanted to use the mod suite or the NJPW update, because if I can't update, both options are not possible...this in turn lead to people asking me if that means that they'd have to forego using the Workshop, to which I answered "yes", but I'll create a method to share edits, which is something most modders refused to do up until this point because it will allow people who pirated the game to share edits, something that was not possible with a pirated copy up until this point.
That's pretty much the long and short of it.
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Post by Spunk on Aug 22, 2018 20:42:05 GMT
Boy this went downhill.
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Post by romanticmisery on Aug 22, 2018 20:42:24 GMT
As a writer i do understand you. You have a project and a vision that youre committed to see it completed with your modsuite, so your stance its totally justifiable.
I have saved a copy of my Fire Pro folder( and the save) in a backup drive just in case, hopefully by then you can devise a way for us to run two Fire Pro World builds separatedly, so if it comes to a schism we can enjoy both worlds if we feel like it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 20:42:57 GMT
I'm not blaming them, I'm saying that the situation, while unfortunate, and entirely their fault, has forced my hand. I have two options as a mod user...I don't share edits at all with anyone...or I do what needs to be done so that the faction of the community who still want to play with mods and are willing to forego the update can still enjoy sharing edits with one another for the foreseeable future. It's a pretty easy choice if you ask me. Couldn't you privately share the import/export tool with trusted members of the community and let the other people rollback their mods for the few months it takes until you can fix the mod suite? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 20:43:59 GMT
Did you expect anything better? I sure didn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 20:46:15 GMT
I'm not blaming them, I'm saying that the situation, while unfortunate, and entirely their fault, has forced my hand. I have two options as a mod user...I don't share edits at all with anyone...or I do what needs to be done so that the faction of the community who still want to play with mods and are willing to forego the update can still enjoy sharing edits with one another for the foreseeable future. It's a pretty easy choice if you ask me. Couldn't you privately share the import/export tool with trusted members of the community and let the other people rollback their mods for the few months it takes until you can fix the mod suite?
How is that fair to everyone who decides to continue to use mods and wait on my busy ass?
If I'm going to release it, I'm going to release it for everyone. This isn't the MovePack creation stuff, this is basic edit sharing which Spike always intended to be a part of the game...it's just through a different method because their sloppy work forced it to be that way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 20:50:12 GMT
Couldn't you privately share the import/export tool with trusted members of the community and let the other people rollback their mods for the few months it takes until you can fix the mod suite? How is that fair to everyone who decides to continue to use mods and wait on my busy ass? If I'm going to release it, I'm going to release it for everyone. This isn't the MovePack creation stuff, this is basic edit sharing which Spike always intended to be a part of the game...it's just through a different method because their sloppy work forced it to be that way.
It's not fair but it seems like a better option than releasing a tool that lazy pirates (who are already begging for wrestler packs and saves with edits) can use to share edits and torpedoing your relationship with Spike. How many people can't go without mods for a few months? It has to be less than 100. |
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Post by otaku2255 on Aug 22, 2018 20:52:49 GMT
I still want nothing but Fire Promoter.
Oh, and the new parts that are coming with the NJPW update.
Fighting Road looks amazing.
(it's a New Day, yes it is...)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 20:53:04 GMT
Don't know, here's the thing though, I want to be share edits...so I'm going to make the tool. If Spike has an issue with that, I did everything in my power to mitigate this before it ever became a problem, so I don't really know what to tell 'em at this point except get your shit in order.
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