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Post by view619 on Oct 18, 2019 18:20:11 GMT
The DLC gives me a bit of a concern. One if his tweets says you can "designate an attire as an entrance" so. We cannot create an entrance attire for each attire? what if we got some attires with different color pallets? They wont match up? The current assumption is that you'll only be able to use an existing slot for an entrance attires. So, not only would you be limited to three normal attires, you would only be able to make a single entrance attire at any given time. Remember that Spike makes a lot of decisions based on how they approach the game, and since they only use one or two slots per edit (see every default ever released) it wouldn't be surprising if the assumption is that most players should be fine with this implementation. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 19:02:22 GMT
I usually just wait to see what others to with the DLC and purchase when I can.
It does seem a bit expensive but I can't wait to see what you guys here to with it.
As that's the point of Fire Pro, getting creative?
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Post by Spunk on Oct 18, 2019 19:03:08 GMT
Overall I'm not trying to be mean or rude but I do not have a problem insulting people who complain about this. Were they there when we were over on the FPW Arena dreaming about there being a new Fire Pro? We waited, what, literally a decade for this game to come out? The people complaining have absolutely no perspective on this issue and are treating Spike as if they are a Triple A company. That's what really makes me angry, no sense of context or nuance, just "UHH DLC BAD WE WANT FREE". The crux of your argument relies on you being a fan for a long time. The issue is that under your own logic, people who've been around for longer than you have more valid opinions than you do. So I'm gonna say $20 is steep and therefore, my opinion is more valid because I've been around longer. I have no issue pointing out people having ignorant and demeaning points based on false senses of authority and superiority, both morally and intellectually. See how that works? Painting other people's opinions as wrong because they don't align with yours by making diminutive statements about other people tends to not be a good look. Fire Pro World is a love letter to a series from a passionate game developer who was given a pass by his publisher to do so. It has performed beyond expectations and now things that he wanted to include for free or a reasonable price have become piecemeal releases because the publisher got greedy. I truly do not care about Spike's bottom line or balance sheets. They've never given this project adequate resources and now that they see a way to make a few bucks they're wringing a small, passionate community dry before the fans stop buying the add-ons. I've been more than happy to support the series throughout Spike/Spike Chunsoft's ownership of the IP, from special editions to multiple platforms and now multiple DLCs. That being said this smacks of greed and short term thinking. Be nicer to people, it helps people take you more seriously and value your opinion when you value theirs and don't write them off as insolate whiners if they disagree. |
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Post by dnmt on Oct 18, 2019 20:13:19 GMT
The crux of my argument has absolutely nothing to do with seniority. I'm not arguing that because I've been playing Fire Pro for longer, I am right. I am bringing up the Arena because I cannot see how someone who has all of the historical information regarding the Fire Pro series and its fan base can think it's reasonable to complain about the price. Knowing how long fans have been waiting, knowing how small the studio is, knowing how lucky we are to even have this game, etc. These are all factors that should be taken into account when assessing the content being released and how much it's being released for.
I'll admit it might come across as demeaning, but it's not ignorant. It's actually very well informed regarding the nature of the developer, the game industry, and the current market. As I've said three times, if this was EA, I would understand the complaints, but it's not. To be fair, I don't have any problem demeaning people who complain about one of my all-time favorite game developers charging for a DLC just so they can survive and keep producing content for us. I don't have a problem demeaning entitled people who are just whining and not contributing anything other than "UHH NOT WORTH $20". Like, wow, what a remarkable insight. They deserve to be shamed. The less of that, the better.
EDIT - Also, to be clear, I'm not trying to personally attack anyone here. A few people seem to be personally attacking me, but I am trying to keep my arguments theoretical and are more or less levied at the people bashing Matsumoto on Twitter. I've gotten tons of support and advice from everyone here and I don't have any ill will towards anyone. so I hope others can refrain from attacking me personally for my argument, even if it is blunt, uncouth and controversial.
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Post by sonny615 on Oct 18, 2019 20:15:20 GMT
I have a feeling that the championship belt for the entrance is just going to be an edit part. As in you'll have to manually assign it and it won't detect a champion automatically.
Carry on with price talk :)
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Oct 18, 2019 20:22:49 GMT
I have a feeling that the championship belt for the entrance is just going to be an edit part. As in you'll have to manually assign it and it won't detect a champion automatically. Carry on with price talk :) The fear is if thats how it works, you wont be able to assign it without vacating the championship (which is what happens today when you edit a champion). The hope is they fix that bug, but nothing has been confirmed. |
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Post by padrian on Oct 18, 2019 20:26:33 GMT
I have a feeling that the championship belt for the entrance is just going to be an edit part. As in you'll have to manually assign it and it won't detect a champion automatically. Carry on with price talk :) The fear is if thats how it works, you wont be able to assign it without vacating the championship (which is what happens today when you edit a champion). The hope is they fix that bug, but nothing has been confirmed. Wouldn’t it be the opposite? If it’s just an edit part that you manually control, moving it on and off has no connection to the titleholder |
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Oct 18, 2019 20:27:12 GMT
The crux of my argument has absolutely nothing to do with seniority. I'm not arguing that because I've been playing Fire Pro for longer, I am right. I am bringing up the Arena because I cannot see how someone who has all of the historical information regarding the Fire Pro series and its fan base can think it's reasonable to complain about the price. Knowing how long fans have been waiting, knowing how small the studio is, knowing how lucky we are to even have this game, etc. These are all factors that should be taken into account when assessing the content being released and how much it's being released for. I'll admit it might come across as demeaning, but it's not ignorant. It's actually very well informed regarding the nature of the developer, the game industry, and the current market. As I've said three times, if this was EA, I would understand the complaints, but it's not. To be fair, I don't have any problem demeaning people who complain about one of my all-time favorite game developers charging for a DLC just so they can survive and keep producing content for us. I don't have a problem demeaning entitled people who are just whining and not contributing anything other than "UHH NOT WORTH $20". Like, wow, what a remarkable insight. They deserve to be shamed. The less of that, the better. EDIT - Also, to be clear, I'm not trying to personally attack anyone here. A few people seem to be personally attacking me, but I am trying to keep my arguments theoretical and are more or less levied at the people bashing Matsumoto on Twitter. I've gotten tons of support and advice from everyone here and I don't have any ill will towards anyone. so I hope others can refrain from attacking me personally for my argument, even if it is blunt, uncouth and controversial. Dude, you cant start calling out people as "deserving to be shamed" and then play the victim when others call you out for being an ass. |
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Post by LankyLefty17 on Oct 18, 2019 20:29:08 GMT
The fear is if thats how it works, you wont be able to assign it without vacating the championship (which is what happens today when you edit a champion). The hope is they fix that bug, but nothing has been confirmed. Wouldn’t it be the opposite? If it’s just an edit part that you manually control, moving it on and off has no connection to the titleholder Today, if you make any edit to a champion, it will vacate the title. So they'd have to fix/work around that in order for belt parts to be in any way meaningful. |
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Post by dnmt on Oct 18, 2019 20:31:06 GMT
The crux of my argument has absolutely nothing to do with seniority. I'm not arguing that because I've been playing Fire Pro for longer, I am right. I am bringing up the Arena because I cannot see how someone who has all of the historical information regarding the Fire Pro series and its fan base can think it's reasonable to complain about the price. Knowing how long fans have been waiting, knowing how small the studio is, knowing how lucky we are to even have this game, etc. These are all factors that should be taken into account when assessing the content being released and how much it's being released for. I'll admit it might come across as demeaning, but it's not ignorant. It's actually very well informed regarding the nature of the developer, the game industry, and the current market. As I've said three times, if this was EA, I would understand the complaints, but it's not. To be fair, I don't have any problem demeaning people who complain about one of my all-time favorite game developers charging for a DLC just so they can survive and keep producing content for us. I don't have a problem demeaning entitled people who are just whining and not contributing anything other than "UHH NOT WORTH $20". Like, wow, what a remarkable insight. They deserve to be shamed. The less of that, the better. EDIT - Also, to be clear, I'm not trying to personally attack anyone here. A few people seem to be personally attacking me, but I am trying to keep my arguments theoretical and are more or less levied at the people bashing Matsumoto on Twitter. I've gotten tons of support and advice from everyone here and I don't have any ill will towards anyone. so I hope others can refrain from attacking me personally for my argument, even if it is blunt, uncouth and controversial. Dude, you cant start calling out people as "deserving to be shamed" and then play the victim when others call you out for being an ass. I'm just saying the behavior of complaining about the price, in my opinion, should be discouraged. I'm not calling specific people out and insulting them because I disagree, like some other users have. |
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Post by padrian on Oct 18, 2019 20:35:19 GMT
The ONLY factor of importance regarding the $20 price tag is whether Fire Pro players buy it at that price. Arguing nonsense like “we should be grateful because reasons” is irrelevant: They will charge $20, and keep charging $20, so long as there are players willing to buy it.
If people say No, I’ll bet this DLC goes on sale pretty fast.
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Post by view619 on Oct 18, 2019 20:35:21 GMT
I have a feeling that the championship belt for the entrance is just going to be an edit part. As in you'll have to manually assign it and it won't detect a champion automatically. Carry on with price talk :) They've confirmed that the belts will be additional edit parts (see the announcement), so it's likely you'll need to manually assign titles yourself. Hopefully, that means they'll finally fix the bug where modifying a champion will vacate his title. |
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Post by padrian on Oct 18, 2019 20:38:31 GMT
I have a feeling that the championship belt for the entrance is just going to be an edit part. As in you'll have to manually assign it and it won't detect a champion automatically. Carry on with price talk :) They've confirmed that the belts will be additional edit parts (see the announcement), so it's likely you'll need to manually assign titles yourself. Hopefully, that means they'll finally fix the bug where modifying a champion will vacate his title. That hardly seems worth it then. So you have to update your edit every time a title changes? Seems tedious |
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Post by view619 on Oct 18, 2019 20:38:55 GMT
Dude, you cant start calling out people as "deserving to be shamed" and then play the victim when others call you out for being an ass. I'm just saying the behavior of complaining about the price, in my opinion, should be discouraged. I'm not calling specific people out and insulting them because I disagree, like some other users have. That's a terrible attitude to have (in my opinion). If the hardcore player-base is discouraged from discussing the price (which includes outlining why you think the price is too high), then that just gives Spike free reign to charge whatever they want regardless of the content. Forcing one side of a discussion to remain silent should never be encouraged. Not everyone shares the same opinion and as long as there aren't any direct attacks that should be okay. |
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Post by desertpunk34 on Oct 18, 2019 20:40:50 GMT
Ive dumped more money into DLC than a grown man should admit, ive even bought more 80's mania mobile tokens than I care to admit.
Point is i'm a long time Fire Pro player and someone who is "used to the current DLC situation"....but 20 bucks for 3 arenas, some lights and a extra taunt in my edits entrances? Yeah thats fucked up.
O I'm still gonna buy it, but unless theres some unannounced features or I'm missing something....it's horse armor caliber DLC.
Stardom's DLC made sense for being 20 bucks, it was a licensed product, never designed for the original game, yadda yadda yadda. So no problem paying 20 bucks for Stardom, but again....20 bucks for 3 arenas, some lights and a extra taunt for entrances.
If your argument is "support the devs" they can set up a fucking patreon, if they don't want DLC bagged on, deliver decent DLC at a reasonable price.
----Side note, whoever it was that pays 20 bucks for a value meal, I feel bad for you, im assuming cali or a major city lol. Here in the mid-west it's about 8-9 dollars. Hell even the good burger joints only run about 12.
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